How Much Does A Hyundia Veloster Turbo Valve Cleaning Cost
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- #61
About extending the warranty, was at my dealer once more today (to supplant the windshield, yay...) and they told me that once the five twelvemonth warranty catamenia comes to an end you tin can allow them audit the car and offer extended warranty. How long for or if it's even from Hyundai themselves I don't know.
You should come across actually how little warranty covers information technology's rediculous. Even more than so the extended warranty. Annihilation mechanical that goes after 5 years will come out of your pocket.
- #62
Well then... Looks like it's gonna go modified afterwards the warranty runs out (and probably be retrofitted to run on a natural gas/ethanol mix)You should see actually how lilliputian warranty covers information technology'southward rediculous. Fifty-fifty more then the extended warranty. Anything mechanical that goes after 5 years will come out of your pocket.
- #63
The turbocharged, GDI Theta-2 engine is too used in the Sonata and Sante Iron, and owners of these cars accept been discussing intake valve deposit (IVD) problems quite extensively in their corresponding owner forums for a number of years.
These owners betoken that Hyundai are at present using a combination of different methods to try and eliminate/minimise IVD in lieu of employing multipoint injection as most other manufacturers have done: (1) the intake valve is timed to open earlier during the exhaust stroke to heat the valve such that information technology can vaporise carbon deposits; (2) an amount of additional fuel is injected when the intake valve is open prior to the compression stroke to allow some mechanical cleansing of the valve; (3) the injector is positioned such that the spay blueprint actively contacts the dorsum of the valve when it is open.
Take these measures worked? It's difficult to tell as the reporting from nigh owners is non-systematic and inconsistent. There is as well the issue of trying to differentiate legitimate cases of IVD with instances of poor maintenance: let'southward confront it, prior to the i30N near people who purchased Hyundais were very unlikely to have any mechanical sympathy. I think there are still cases of IVD, merely anecdotally it seems to be quite less prevalent.
Regarding the employ of catch cans, there was a report presented on the causes of IVD using a Hyundai 2.4L Theta-Two engine at the 2013 Japanese Petroleum Energy Centre (JPEC) conference. The written report found that bypassing the PCR did not atomic number 82 to an improvement in IVD formation and that blow-by gas is unlikely to be a significant factor in carbon degradation (with the implication that catch cans may have limited beneficial effect). The report did betoken that IVD was virtually likely caused by ageing oil and was associated with low engine loads, possibly considering the temperature of the intake valve (when it opens before during the exhaust stroke) isn't sufficient to vaporise any carbon deposits.
- #65
so permit'south change the engine oil more often (~6-7k km) and bulldoze your sporty motorcar like it'south supposed to be driven
Absolutely! This is what I gather besides: exist enthusiastic when driving and double upwards on your oil changes with a high quality constructed.
in that location are besides some additives / cleaners (even specific for the physical automaker), simply somehow I don't believe in their efficiency...
From what I've read elsewhere, the Hyundai production is recommended only for their models that typically apply low quality, loftier sulphur petrol. I would wait that most i30N owners would follow Hyundai's recommendation and use higher quality fuel, then I'1000 unsure whether using their "GDI Fuel Arrangement Cleaner" would lead to whatsoever benefit.
Aside from that, other fuel additives might help. Well-nigh of the objections to using these products in direct injection engines are based on the general assumption that injected fuel does not contact the face and fillet of the valve head. This doesn't necessarily use to Hyundai's GDI engine as it varies the valve and injection timing equally well as the injection management to produce some contact between the fuel and the open valve. Simply I'm not confident enough to say that it will assistance.
I call back i of the bigger issues is that intake valve cleaning - insofar equally I know - isn't office of the standard maintenance schedule set up by Hyundai, and the mechanically disinclined are probable to overlook whatever languor and continue to drive their cars until the IVD tends to result in other, more significant issues (due east.g. misfires). The all-time affair that i30N owners can do, I think, is to have some mechanical sympathy and exist alert to any lethargy at the 50,000 km marking, which is when carbon deposition (where information technology exists) tends to manifest itself more than conspicuously.
- #66
Glad you revived this thread. I liked reading your thoughts and opinions on this subject. I judge nosotros volition take to await for another year or 2 to encounter some i30N cars get to the 50k kilometres. Changing oil regularly and using premium oils was always on my radar at whatsoever rate. Performance car equals more care given to maintenance.Admittedly! This is what I gather too: be enthusiastic when driving and double up on your oil changes with a high quality synthetic.From what I've read elsewhere, the Hyundai product is recommended just for their models that typically use low quality, high sulphur petrol. I would expect that well-nigh i30N owners would follow Hyundai's recommendation and use college quality fuel, so I'grand unsure whether using their "GDI Fuel System Cleaner" would lead to whatever do good.
Aside from that, other fuel additives might aid. Nigh of the objections to using these products in straight injection engines are based on the general assumption that injected fuel does non contact the face up and fillet of the valve head. This doesn't necessarily utilize to Hyundai's GDI engine as information technology varies the valve and injection timing too as the injection direction to produce some contact between the fuel and the open valve. Simply I'g not confident enough to say that it will help.
I think one of the bigger bug is that intake valve cleaning - insofar as I know - isn't part of the standard maintenance schedule set past Hyundai, and the mechanically disinclined are probable to overlook whatsoever sluggishness and keep to drive their cars until the IVD tends to result in other, more significant issues (due east.k. misfires). The best matter that i30N owners can do, I recall, is to take some mechanical sympathy and exist alert to whatever sluggishness at the 50,000 km mark, which is when carbon deposition (where it exists) tends to manifest itself more than clearly.
- #67
Absolutely! This is what I assemble as well: exist enthusiastic when driving and double up on your oil changes with a high quality synthetic.From what I've read elsewhere, the Hyundai production is recommended but for their models that typically employ low quality, loftier sulphur petrol. I would expect that most i30N owners would follow Hyundai's recommendation and use higher quality fuel, so I'm unsure whether using their "GDI Fuel Organization Cleaner" would lead to any benefit.
Bated from that, other fuel additives might aid. Most of the objections to using these products in direct injection engines are based on the full general assumption that injected fuel does not contact the confront and fillet of the valve caput. This doesn't necessarily apply to Hyundai's GDI engine equally it varies the valve and injection timing as well as the injection management to produce some contact between the fuel and the open valve. Simply I'thousand not confident enough to say that information technology will assistance.
I retrieve one of the bigger problems is that intake valve cleaning - insofar as I know - isn't part of the standard maintenance schedule ready by Hyundai, and the mechanically disinclined are likely to overlook any sluggishness and continue to bulldoze their cars until the IVD tends to result in other, more than significant issues (e.g. misfires). The best matter that i30N owners can do, I think, is to accept some mechanical sympathy and be alert to whatsoever languor at the 50,000 km mark, which is when carbon deposition (where it exists) tends to manifest itself more than clearly.
It would be nice if Hyundai only best-selling the problem and offered valve blasting as part of the college kilometre service. I heard VW offers information technology at the workshop if you ask for information technology.
It's articulate to see merely how much these engines must carbon up afterward I collection to work ( takes me 30 minutes) taking it really easy, I accelerated semi-hard when I got to work whilst looking in my rear vision mirror and almost blacked out the cars lights backside me.
- #68
Roger that.
I've had oil and filter changed at 1500km and just recently at 5000km. Information technology will be given the same every 5000km for life. It is only $22 for a genuine parts filter and $70-ish for 5L of top-notch oil. $100 every 6 months or so is nil, less than a decent meal for two and a couple of bottles of ruby-red at a restaurant.
- #69
Actually what you've stated is wrong, at least for the US and Canada. The extended 10year/100K/120KM bumper to bumper warranty covers everything except the bumpers, including oil changes. They will do a comprehensive valve cleaning at 65K with this warranty. You can also have it washed chemically with this service; https://www.bgprod.com/services/gasoline-fuel-services/platinum-fuel-organisation-service/ It'southward is also warranted by the manufacture.Y'all should meet really how petty warranty covers its, ridiculous. Even more so the extended warranty. Annihilation mechanical that goes after 5 years volition come up out of your pocket.
Besides the x/100K powertrain warranty will comprehend the engine replacement in its entirety.
BG Products do a corking job of cleaning intake and exhaust valves, especially along with their engine services. They have a direct organization that cleans and service the unabridged system including duel rail;
https://www.bgprod.com/services/gasoline-fuel-services/gdi-fuelair-consecration/
They offering many engine cleaning services which will keep the engine and powertrain in meridian condition
Oil dilution is a trouble with any GDI from whatever manufacturer just the Veloster Northward has Oil/Fuel dilution of less than i.0% which is a trace. You tin can verify it by sending a sample of your oil to any Oil testing lab. Make sure you let them know to check for Fuel Dilution during the tests.
The fundamental is to utilize; acme grade oil, top tier fuel/fuel additives and change it regularly. Another is to do the preverbal "Italian Tune Up," on a regular ground. I'm not advocating excessive speed just hard accelerations up to speed limits or whatever you decided to do. The worst thing for the ii.0T Theta engine 2 or 1.6T Gamma II is to drive it in short stop and go traffic regularly.
I've seen many older GDI's on the street regularly still running in practiced nick and they've been used on the route for more twenty years now. You don't come across a rash of ceremonious laws suits against manufacturers utilizing them either. So, it'due south non a problem.
This might work for the average possessor on their dime merely manufacturers will never utilize such a configuration, as it far also costly and maintenance intensive.Due to fuel existence injected inside the cylinder, fuel type has a minuscule effect on carbon deposits, particularly on the dorsum of the intake valves.A truthful heated (via coolant) air/oil separator that returns oil to the system would be best, followed past a h2o/booze injection system, then dual take hold of cans (since they crave routine maintenance)
We've already seen members here, install CC (catch cans) and they've remove them almost as rapidly. Why, considering it does little to catch such fuel/oil vapor and catches near nothing in the cans.
Multi-port fuel injection engine solves this problem and stays with in emission standards. Hyundai has a new multi-port fuel injection engine in a ane.6T configuration. They will be extending this engine configuration to all power plants in the near future.
The Multi-port engine is existence released first in Korea.
- #70
It would be overnice if Hyundai but best-selling the trouble and offered valve diggings equally part of the higher kilometre service. I heard VW offers information technology at the workshop if you ask for information technology.
It'south curious isn't it? The dealer needn't fifty-fifty resort to unnecessary disassembly and preparation for mechanical cleaning: a visual inspection using a borescope inserted into the intake manifold can be very helpful in determining the extent of carbon deposition. I'd encourage concerned owners with a sympathetic and clued up mechanic/dealer to take them carry out this procedure at the 30-50,000 km mark to see whether there'due south any cause for concern.
From what I've read, the full general trend seems to be that most drivers with symptomatic engines persisted (either knowingly or merely unaware) with driving until their intake valves/manifold were so clogged with carbon deposits that their engines suffered catastrophic damage. These were then replaced under warranty. However, I have read of past instances where warranty replacements were denied in the US.
Here's an example of an Australian with a 2013 Veloster Turbo (mind you, it uses the Gamma GDI rather than the Theta-Ii GDI engine) whose engine failed at 60,000 km in 2017. Hyundai Australia variously (mis?)diagnosed the source issue, but several posters in the thread thought it was probable an backlog of carbon deposits on the intake valves due to the frequency of misfires. His engine was replaced under warranty, merely his car and then suffered a transmission failure a calendar week afterward, and and so Hyundai replaced his entire automobile with a brand new 2017 model!
They will do a comprehensive valve cleaning at 65K with this warranty.
This is a definite bonus for US owners!
I haven't all the same put an club down so I tin't bank check our Australian service schedules, just a quick online perusal through some of the available manuals for other Hyundai Australia GDI engines doesn't advise that valve cleaning is part of our routine servicing.
- #71
- #72
The system works equally advertised and I had it done to my sons 2015 Kia Rio i.6 Gamma. Notable marked deviation and fuel economy improvement.
Thanks! I'll bookmark and go along it in listen. Note that in Australia, at least, routine servicing must be conducted by a licensed mechanic if an owner is to uphold their obligations under a manufacturer'due south warranty. So Aussie owners are probable hesitant to do this procedure themselves. Fortunately, in that location are several independent mechanics in my urban center that perform routine chemical and mechanical decarbonisation of GDI engines, mostly tailoring for VW and BMW enthusiasts.
Simply it would be nice if Hyundai Australia had some sort of inspection and repair procedure in place (bated from replacing the manifold and valves under warranty). I experience that about owners would be more comfy if their dealership (rather than an independent service) undertook this sort of work equally it would assistance to minimise any potential warranty headaches, specially given that the i30N is quite a new platform.
- #73
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